Twenty and Ignorant – REALLY!

DISCLAIMER: I can say this because I was once in my 20s!

Much like I do not think 16 year-old kids should be driving, I now think 20 somethings need to be kept out of the political process.

I know, there will be backlash from many out there on this, but as I read things 20 somethings write about social and political issues, as I talk to them, as I think about what I was like in my 20s, I realize they, for the most part, are clueless.  It’s bad enough that we have people in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and beyond who have not grown up or simply do not know or do not care enough to learn what has made this country what it is and why it is so great, so why add another ignorant generation to the fold???

I mean, they are fresh out of college and high school, where they have spent the last 21 years being indoctrinated by liberal blood-sucking vampires with no real-world experience.  we need to give them a chance to work, get out there and experience the pain that life brings thereby waking them up from the utopian dreamland the liberals have been trying to create for 100 years.  It does not work.  It has never worked and will never work!  The only thing that works is true freedom allowing the people to build up a country through drive, diligence, creativity, and perseverance.

What these 20 somethings vote for now have GREAT ramifications that we will be paying for dearly in the future.  Most likely, assuming they have some sense, they will look back years later at the damage that was done and will realize how foolish and misguided they were.

So, let’s bypass that possibility and skip over the 20 somethings!  Wait till you are 30.  Learn, read, study, open your eyes.  When you have a full picture, you may be ready to vote. Then we don’t ALL have to pay for your ignorance.

What do you think?

For me, I think I am going to write my state congressman and senator now … 20 somethings are ignorant and therefore should be quiet!

FBF

 

 

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20 thoughts on “Twenty and Ignorant – REALLY!

  1. Personally I think we need to encourage the youngsters to vote because many, many adults don’t bother; whether disillusioned by the lies and fantasy world our politicians seem to live in. Every election time we get blasted with the manifestos of all the parties and as soon as they get into power they conveniently forget everything they promised. We need young people to get involved and bring fresh blood in. We really need members of the Cabinet to be normal people on the streets and not those who are in the high earning bracket; people who really do understand how much food costs and have had to worry where the gas money will come from. I too was 20 once and I wish I had gotten more involved in politics back then.

    • Education is key. Unfortunately, that has fallen as well.
      What to do?
      I want younger people involved. In fact, I was hoping to inspire them to speak up and get rather indignant over this post! I just have a fear that they are voting for the wrong things. Things they just do not understand quite yet.
      FBF

      • TBH I am not that knowledgeable about politics either and sadly neither are our adult kids but it would be good if you can get at least one person getting involved after reading your blog

  2. I think that we should focus more on education. We should actually take the time to educate people on the social, economic, and political issues at hand. 20 to 29 year-olds make up 14% of the population. The Millennial generation is the most educated generation to date, with a much larger access to data than the generations before had at our time. Not to mention, people talk about it more thanks to social media. With more conversation comes a wider variety of knowledge and ideas. I’d rather have someone who has studied the topics, studied economics and politics, who is 20, than someone who is 30 living off welfare that never went to school. Just because young people may have different experiences and views, doesn’t mean they are wrong. To expect people to grow up, get a job, buy a house and a car and pay taxes with no say is sort of controlling.
    This being said, I know that not every person my age is necessarily qualified to be in politics. But neither is everyone else older than us. We are a very cynical generation in terms of politics, because we’ve watched debt skyrocket, grown up during the longest war in American history, experienced the 2nd largest recession since the Great Depression, and struggled as new graduates in the job market. Most of this happened before we were old enough to vote. Every generation brings with it a new wave of political ideology, and with the state of our government, I’d say it’s time for some change.
    But just my opinion, of course….although if it were up to you, maybe you wouldn’t want me to vote on this stance, because I’m only 20. 😉

    And I know that you probably were hoping us to speak up, as you said in a previous comment. I hope this is what you had in mind.

  3. Reblogged this on KassaFrass and commented:
    Okay my young people. Some may believe that we don’t have enough life experience to be involved or even have a voice in the current state of the government. Whatever your opinion, I’d like you to take a moment to read this. I hope that it ignites a rightful rage in you. Young does not equal ignorant. Young does not equal dumb. We have the opportunity to learn from the mistakes and triumphs made before us. Get involved because you have a say.

    • NICE!
      But, remember, learn from all sources not just NY Times, not just MSNBC, Fox, CNN et al. Go deeper. Read CNS, listen and read books by Mark Levin, Ben Carson (if you read about and study no one else, PLEASE look up Ben Carson)! Read the Founding Fathers. Learn about our Constitution. Learn why we have a free market. Go to Hillsdale and take their free online courses! https://online.hillsdale.edu/
      Happy learning and welcome to LIBERTY!
      FBF

  4. Free by Forty,

    Disclaimer: I can say these things because I did research, found factual evidence, and developed a logical argument, instead of stating my age as an excuse to rattle off an unsupported claim.

    I am 23 years old; I have a bachelor’s degree in physics, and have been working 1-2 jobs since high school in order to pay my way through college. I understand this may not be enough “education” or “real-world experience” to make my claim legitimate enough for you, but I’ll give it my best shot.

    Before we begin, however, I would like to ask you to keep an open mind. Now, before you say to yourself, “Sure, I can keep an open mind, no problem,” I would like to remind you of things such as “confirmation bias” (See the Wikipedia page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias, if you’re uncertain what this is), and certain studies like those described at:

    http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2010/07/11/how_facts_backfire/
    or:
    http://www.livescience.com/576-democrats-republicans-adept-ignoring-facts-study-finds.html,

    which found that the majority of people—particularly those with highly charged political beliefs (judging by your tone regarding “blood-sucking liberals,” along with several of your other posts that I have read, I’m assuming that you fall into this category)—would completely disregard stone-cold facts that challenged their political/personal beliefs. So, hopefully with a little bit of self-awareness we can acknowledge the facts, understand each other better, and get a little more accomplished.

    Thank you for making it this far. Shall we?

    First, I would like to know where exactly the support is for your statement. Notice, the URLs that I have inserted above are being used as “sources,” of which your absurdly opinionated claim has none. I don’t know that your argument is invalid, but if you cannot supply any statistics, facts, or examples, then I am forced to assume that it is. My background is in science, and in the science community we go by the rule that, “Every theory is false until proven otherwise.”

    My point? Sure, you’re entitled to your opinion; but if you have no statistical evidence or other legitimate data to support it, then the rest of us are entitled to think that your opinion is completely ridiculous (and yes, both definitions of the word “ridiculous” apply here).

    By the way, URL is an acronym that stands for “uniform request line”; this is the technical term for the web addresses I entered above for my sources. All you have to do is copy and paste the URL into the search or address bar on your Internet browser and it will take you to the source. Let me know if you need any help with that, I know your generation isn’t quite as computer-savvy as mine.

    Now look again at my previous paragraph. Do you see how a broad generalization of a group of people can lead to misrepresentation, and/or be flat out wrong?

    This brings me to my next point: your post contains an insanely crude level of generalization that you use to describe 20-somethings. Just like I have no idea what your level of computer expertise is, you have no idea who I am, who my family is, how I was raised, where I went to school, what my grades were, what my IQ is, where I’ve worked, who I’ve worked with, who I’ve worked for, and the list goes on and on. Bottom line, you don’t know me. Furthermore, I would just about guarantee that you don’t know too many 20-somethings (percentage-wise at least) about whom you could answer those same questions. Yet, you seem to think it’s perfectly okay to categorize 42,771,000 individuals—roughly 13.9 percent of the U.S. population (Source: http://www.census.gov/population/age/data/2012comp.html, Table 1)—as being exactly the same as one another. Does that not seem a little extreme (not to mention wildly ignorant) to you?

    If you’re still reading along, thank you, again. I know this is turning into a long post, but I don’t think an argument for or against removing an entire generation (again, 13.9% of the population, and therefore even greater percentage of the voting population) from the polls on Election Day can be justified in a few fact-less, source-less paragraphs.

    Nonetheless, now that we’ve made it through the logical flaws in your post (finally), let’s get to the argument itself.

    In your defense, I would like to acknowledge that you’re not the only one who feels (or has felt) the way you do about younger generations. In fact, I found this quote that you could probably relate to:

    “Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

    Are you aware of whom this quote is attributed to? This wise, elder statesman clearly understands that the up-and-coming youth have no part in an adult society. Unfortunately, he passed away.

    About 2500 years ago.

    This quote is attributed to Socrates by Plato (Source: http://www.bartleby.com/73/195.html). It isn’t 100% directly related to your claim, but it’s pretty close. I wanted to use this quote because it brings to light a recurring theme in society and in history: that the older generations are repeatedly unimpressed—and even disgusted—with the generations that follow them. I’m sure we’ve all heard our parents or grandparents say it, and Socrates’ quote shows that this train of thought has been around for a long, long time. For thousands of years, older generations have been so sure that the ones who followed them would surely bring doom upon humanity.

    And yet, we’re still here.

    Your argument (although again, not factually supported) is that the younger generation is “uneducated” compared to the one before us. How can that be? Every year children learn more and more, and they’re learning it younger in life. It’s been happening for quite some time now. My parents are a little above your age, and they are still amazed at the level and age at which my subjects were taught compared to their school experience. You can easily say that the younger generation has less experience; of course they do. That’s common sense. But to say that my generation is not learning at the same level as yours is simply not accurate (National Center for Educational Statistics shows the increase in educational attainment for 25-29 year-olds over the last ~20 years; source: http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_caa.asp). The fact of the matter is that your generation received a better education than your parents’; my generation received a better education that yours; and later generations will be better educated than mine.

    That being said, I think I understand where you’re coming from on this; I personally have quite a list of complaints with my generation as well (Reality TV, social media, etc.). But your astounding claims that you’ve made in this post are misguided, and what is worse, they are extremely narrow-minded.

    Stay with me, please.

    Judging by your post and comment history, it appears as if you made this particular post shortly after commenting (hatefully, I might add) in regard to a blogger who simply stated that she thought universal healthcare was a good idea. Thus—and correct me if I am wrong—I am going to make the assumption that this post on “20-somethings” was, more or less, in response to that. In conclusion, it appears more as if you’re making the claim that 20-somethings shouldn’t be allowed to vote, not because they are incapable of making educated decisions (you have no proof at all that particular blogger was uneducated, or that she hadn’t taken the time to research the subject thoroughly), but rather because a handful of them tend to disagree with your personal political views.

    In addition, I’m pretty certain that there are a lot of 40+ year-old, well-educated individuals who would also support universal healthcare (there are at least a few of them in Congress, otherwise we wouldn’t be talking about it). So does that mean that those 40+ year-old scholars shouldn’t be allowed to vote either?

    If your answer is “No, they shouldn’t be allowed to vote,” then that, by definition, is oppression. This is an interesting theme for someone who makes an awful lot of blog posts centered on the idea of “freedom.”

    If your answer is “Yes, they can vote, but 20-somethings still can’t, because they are uneducated,” then your reasoning has no support. A 20-something can share the same level of education on a particular subject as a 40 year-old (you can say whatever you’d like about experience, but that has nothing to do with learning a the facts and processes regarding a subject); and I would dare say that there is a fair amount of 40 year-olds that know little to nothing about similar political issues.

    Thus, by your argument, 40 year-olds who know nothing about a particular subject are more qualified to place their input than a 20-something who has a deep background on the matter. Meaning, the only reason for 20-somethings not to vote is due to your unsupported opinion (again).

    I hope you’re still reading, and thank you if you are; but it’s time we get to the bottom line.

    Your claim states that no one should be allowed to vote until they reach the age of thirty. Yet, once a United States citizen reaches the age of 18, he/she is required to pay federal income tax on the money they earn. By adhering to your absurd request, this group of roughly 50 million citizens would be paying taxes, funding the government and other citizens, while having absolutely no power to choose their representative official.

    Does that not sound absurd to you? I mean, surely you’ve heard the phrase, “No taxation without representation,” haven’t you, Mr. “Freedom?”

    And speaking of “freedom…”

    I find it absolutely hard to believe that someone who is as dedicated to the idea of freedom as you claim to be, could possibly say that an 18-29 year-old individual has absolutely no right to vote to choose his/her governing body. Especially since that same 18-29 year-old would still be given the responsibility to fight and, if necessary, die to defend a democracy that his country would not even let him/her be a part of.

    Now please, tell me again what freedom is?

    And let’s not forget that 18-29 year-old would be defending YOU, since the military doesn’t really have a use for many 30+ year-old recruits. Oh well, at least all of our voters will get to sleep safe and sound every night.

    Sincerely,
    A “clueless” and “uneducated” 20-something year-old

    • This is quite a comment, more like a dissertation, but great comment/comments nonetheless. Right now, I cannot address everything, but I will gladly do so in stages if you do not mind.
      First and foremost, thank you for caring to write such a strong and thought out reply.
      Be back soon!
      FBF

      • Thank you for your kind words.

        Now, in no way do I mean any disrespect when I say this, but I did not take the time to type out my thoughts so that you would see them. I do hope that you learned something, because I know I did; but that was not the intention.

        I posted this comment so that the other 20-somethings who you blatantly disrespected with your misguided claim could read it and understand why they do have the right–and the responsibility–to be a part of this country and its democracy.

        Therefore, whether or not you respond is obviously up to you. I personally have no preference on the matter, and will not post any further comments either way. Again, thank you, but it is not my intention to argue personal beliefs with strangers over the internet.

    • Comment 1: Open Mind
      Agreed it is very hard to keep an open mind, so I will state that up front. I have a belief system, so it is difficult to be open minded and anyone who says they truly have an open mind, are kidding themselves. That said, I am reading your response with as open a mind as I can because my post did exactly what I wanted it to, which was to create a conversation and get people thinking. Thank you for that.
      FBF

    • Comment 2:
      Data. I do not have any data nor do I have time to sort through searches on the world wide web (that is what www stands for) looking for stats to back me up although I am sure I will find many. Stats, however, are a dangerous thing and as an educated person you know can be played with to tell any story any one wants. What I do have is experience hiring, firing (more to come on this later when I address your education theory), and talking to countless 20-somethings. What I also have is experience of once being in my 20s and knowing how unfounded and uneducated I was (as well as many of my peers) on many issues. This applies to all generations. My point, people hold one set of values when they are young that through life experiences, further education, etc. turn into a completely different set of values and beliefs when they are older. It’s called evolution and happens to everyone … that I can say with 100% certainty. If it does not happen, that would be a said state of affairs for the human race.

      FBF

  5. If you don’t care, then why go through the trouble? I actually thought you wanted to engage and possibly learn something. You are obviously very smart and well educated, but that does not mean you know everything or really anything for that matter. Also, to correct you, we have a democratic process but the US is not a democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.
    FBF

  6. While I can’t completely agree with everything here, I find that I agree with the general message. I’m 29 and have been a part of the “real world” (wife, child, job, mortgage, etc.) for the past five years after finishing graduate school and being forced out of extended childhood. I have learned far more about the world and how things work in the past five years than I thought was possible. Many of my views and beliefs have changed in that time, especially after the birth of my child.

    I don’t think that twentysomethings should be excluded from voting, but increasing the knowledge of the young voters would be a good idea – many of us (and people of older generations as well) get our political news from extremely biased sources because we like to feel right. Feeling right makes us feel smart and good about our beliefs – the fact that we are actively seeking out places that validate us is of little concern though…

    The dividing nature of our failure of a two party political system is the real villain here, but that’s another topic entirely.

      • Free speech is really important with stuff like this. Unfortunately, as a culture, we have evolved to expect freedom of speech for ourselves and like-minded individuals, while being dismissive of dissenting opinions. That double standard combined with the immediate defensive reaction that takes place when we (or those like us) are criticized prevents us from becoming self-aware and growing into better people.

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